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Timekeeper gear set for DB2
- Thread starter ufoDziner
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I had sent Leroy Diesel an email if He was going to do another run on the Time Keeper gear sets and He said most likely not.
He has to order in 200 sets at a time and it ties up his funds for too long.
There is some 6.2 and 6.5 groups on facebook plus Leroy uas a group in there too.
If You or anyone You know has a face book account then get into those groups and start a list of who else would order in a time keeper gear set and if there is enough interest in the sales of those sets then it might sway His mind into ordering in another batch.
I too had been looking for a set but Leroy had sold out. I started lists of who might want to order in a set and that was what inspired Leroy to order in another batch.
I dont quite remember but I think that the DB2 and the DS4 are the same its just that You dont install the spacer for the CPS when using them on the DB2 units.
He has to order in 200 sets at a time and it ties up his funds for too long.
There is some 6.2 and 6.5 groups on facebook plus Leroy uas a group in there too.
If You or anyone You know has a face book account then get into those groups and start a list of who else would order in a time keeper gear set and if there is enough interest in the sales of those sets then it might sway His mind into ordering in another batch.
I too had been looking for a set but Leroy had sold out. I started lists of who might want to order in a set and that was what inspired Leroy to order in another batch.
I dont quite remember but I think that the DB2 and the DS4 are the same its just that You dont install the spacer for the CPS when using them on the DB2 units.
Will L. 95
Trail Guide
Yeah, beauty of the db2- we can use either one for ours. Having the indicator for the crankshaft position sensor doesn’t get in the way of anything if you don’t use it. The ds4 has to have that included.
Frankly, batch orders of 200 are ridiculous. In this day and age, you can send off the drawings electrically to a variety of different shops and they can do anything from 1-offs to custom sized batches.
The place I use for all of my water/laser jetting just started doing 5-axis CNC milling jobs in custom batch sizes.
The place I use for all of my water/laser jetting just started doing 5-axis CNC milling jobs in custom batch sizes.
Unfortunately pictures won't work. I'd need actual drawings to do something like this.
I asked Leroy if he'd be willing to share the drawings. Seems that if he's not going to do anything with them, giving back to the community would be the right thing. I actually did this same thing in the past with an adapter I made. My initial batch was for 10 units. After selling the 10, I had no interest in having them cnc'd anymore, so I just gave the step file to the community.
Will L. 95
Trail Guide
My understanding is he paid a pretty penny to DSG for the right to produce it since they hold the patent.
So it can not be reproduced in any manner unless there is some sort of significant changes in the design ?
Will L. 95
Trail Guide
Well if a guy makes a copy himself, it is unlikely DSG or Leroy would care.
If a guy started making and selling them, thats the hang up.
I’m not speaking for DSG or Leroy- just my opinion on it. I can’t see it would be worth pursuing legal action for someone making a knock off.
And it could be if Leroy was to get set up with someplace like send cut send, then it could be worth doing smaller runs. As it is, I think he it buying full sheets of steel and having the gears, dogbone, axles all cut from the sheet, as well as the bronze bushings.
I don’t know that I would experiment with untreated sheet steel being cut into the gears without the machine work of finishing teeth, but it’s been many a year since ai spent time in a pro shop to know what the equipment is capable of without having surfacing done.
If a guy started making and selling them, thats the hang up.
I’m not speaking for DSG or Leroy- just my opinion on it. I can’t see it would be worth pursuing legal action for someone making a knock off.
And it could be if Leroy was to get set up with someplace like send cut send, then it could be worth doing smaller runs. As it is, I think he it buying full sheets of steel and having the gears, dogbone, axles all cut from the sheet, as well as the bronze bushings.
I don’t know that I would experiment with untreated sheet steel being cut into the gears without the machine work of finishing teeth, but it’s been many a year since ai spent time in a pro shop to know what the equipment is capable of without having surfacing done.
I’m not for certain on this but I think it is a company in India that is cutting and treating the gears.
It would be nice to have such skill and equipment.
CMRA
Lead Driver
Patents have an expiration date. Design patents typically have an expiration date ~15 years.
The patent expiration date has to be running out.
I took a picture of mine before I had them installed. Unfortunately it doesn't provide any dimensional information. You can count the teeth on it but thats about it.
Seems I read where the timing marks may be off ever so slightly.
My plan, when it comes time to install the set, align the marks then rotate the crank slightly back so that the marks on the sprockets hold their positions in perfect alignment.
Pull the chain and sprockets then slide the gear set over the cam and crankshaft and it all should be in perfect alignment.
Thats about all I know about that.
My plan, when it comes time to install the set, align the marks then rotate the crank slightly back so that the marks on the sprockets hold their positions in perfect alignment.
Pull the chain and sprockets then slide the gear set over the cam and crankshaft and it all should be in perfect alignment.
Thats about all I know about that.
Will L. 95
Trail Guide
Nope. That one turned out to be a bad install. Several people (me included) layed the timing chain on top of the time keeper and they are built right. One engine was assembled, pulled chain and installed gears without any rotation and it fit properly.Seems I read where the timing marks may be off ever so slightly.
My plan, when it comes time to install the set, align the marks then rotate the crank slightly back so that the marks on the sprockets hold their positions in perfect alignment.
Pull the chain and sprockets then slide the gear set over the cam and crankshaft and it all should be in perfect alignment.
Thats about all I know about that.
There was also the discussion about a 4° advance in the cam but N8in8or disproved that in his optimizer build when he degreed his cam and had to buy the offset key for his advancement.
@ufoDziner maybe you can post on TTS and other sites incase others have one on the shelf they are willing to part with? Remember, a ds4 set will work for you too.
This is good information.
Thank You for sharing this bit of insight.
Yeah, if this is posted to TTS then it is possible that one of the members there might have a set they’d be willing to part with.
